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		<title>By: tarus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, we ate it for breakfast. Klaus had some nice meats and butter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, we ate it for breakfast. Klaus had some nice meats and butter.</p>
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		<title>By: margaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>margaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tarus, I can&#039;t comment on Zabbix vs Firescope, but I hope you&#039;re saving some of that bread for your loyal team back home... :-) See you soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tarus, I can&#8217;t comment on Zabbix vs Firescope, but I hope you&#8217;re saving some of that bread for your loyal team back home&#8230; <img src='http://www.adventuresinoss.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  See you soon.</p>
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		<title>By: tarus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven:

Thank you for taking the time from your busy schedule to visit my humble blog. I have added a note to the original post above to make sure that any new readers check out the comments, and I hope to take a look at this more in depth myself.

It seems that there was at some point in time a relationship between the two products which you now say is ended. This may be the cause of the confusion from the thread from last year. 

The goal of my post was to understand what was going on, and you have moved that process along nicely,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven:</p>
<p>Thank you for taking the time from your busy schedule to visit my humble blog. I have added a note to the original post above to make sure that any new readers check out the comments, and I hope to take a look at this more in depth myself.</p>
<p>It seems that there was at some point in time a relationship between the two products which you now say is ended. This may be the cause of the confusion from the thread from last year. </p>
<p>The goal of my post was to understand what was going on, and you have moved that process along nicely,</p>
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		<title>By: svcotton</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tarus,

Thanks for allowing my response to be posted - very cool :)

Your right, all of our livelihoods depend on our respective companies success and as such care should be taken when we make libelous comments.   

  As to your questions raised here are the facts:

1. FireScope&#039;s core CMDB code was developed by Brigham Young University (BYU) - code we purchased the from BYU - No Zabbix

2. Our FireGrid UI, DataNow Portlet have been contributed to the open source community.  Organically developed - no Zabbix

3. Alexei and his team were paid ten of thousands of dollars to develop commercial monitoring functionality that we wanted in our BSM product.  Unfortunately, even after the efforts of all involved it proved not to be a viable option for FireScope to use the Zabbix developed code that we paid for.  As such we removed all code that we contracted Zabbix to develop from our product.  We wish no ill will towards Zabbix and as a fellow contributor to open source we wish them well. 

4. As to why Zabbix says the things they say - I cannot answer that question only the person making those statements can.


Thanks for raising the issue and allowing FireScope to give their side of the story.

Good luck and continued success :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tarus,</p>
<p>Thanks for allowing my response to be posted &#8211; very cool <img src='http://www.adventuresinoss.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Your right, all of our livelihoods depend on our respective companies success and as such care should be taken when we make libelous comments.   </p>
<p>  As to your questions raised here are the facts:</p>
<p>1. FireScope&#8217;s core CMDB code was developed by Brigham Young University (BYU) &#8211; code we purchased the from BYU &#8211; No Zabbix</p>
<p>2. Our FireGrid UI, DataNow Portlet have been contributed to the open source community.  Organically developed &#8211; no Zabbix</p>
<p>3. Alexei and his team were paid ten of thousands of dollars to develop commercial monitoring functionality that we wanted in our BSM product.  Unfortunately, even after the efforts of all involved it proved not to be a viable option for FireScope to use the Zabbix developed code that we paid for.  As such we removed all code that we contracted Zabbix to develop from our product.  We wish no ill will towards Zabbix and as a fellow contributor to open source we wish them well. </p>
<p>4. As to why Zabbix says the things they say &#8211; I cannot answer that question only the person making those statements can.</p>
<p>Thanks for raising the issue and allowing FireScope to give their side of the story.</p>
<p>Good luck and continued success <img src='http://www.adventuresinoss.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tarus</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for taking the time to reply. I am interested in understanding the situation.

You state that Firescope uses no Zabbix code even though &quot;we paid Zabbix for commercial code&quot;. This is news to me, although I saw some mention of this the Zabbix thread. Can you elaborate? 

From your statements I am under the impression that I could download your current products and not find a single bit of Zabbix code. Is this correct?

As for &quot;baseless&quot; - my accusations are far from it. There does seem to be circumstantial evidence to support the Zabbix claim. Can you respond to them? Did Firescope at one time use Zabbix code? Why do you think Zabbix is making these claims?

Also, slander involves speech - I believe the word you are looking for is libel. My statements are far from libelous, although I expect you would find them unpleasant or even distasteful. 

Your final comment about family livelihoods seems to imply that the people who work on Zabbix don&#039;t have the same commitments. The fact that some of us chose to work on open source software versus closed source software doesn&#039;t make us any less hard working or any less concerned with &quot;fortunes&quot;.

I welcome you to use this forum to clear the record, and I will gladly and prominently write that my statements were wrong if you will demonstrate that to me. You have to agree that, at least at one time, Firescope and Zabbix were eerily similar, enough to raise the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for taking the time to reply. I am interested in understanding the situation.</p>
<p>You state that Firescope uses no Zabbix code even though &#8220;we paid Zabbix for commercial code&#8221;. This is news to me, although I saw some mention of this the Zabbix thread. Can you elaborate? </p>
<p>From your statements I am under the impression that I could download your current products and not find a single bit of Zabbix code. Is this correct?</p>
<p>As for &#8220;baseless&#8221; &#8211; my accusations are far from it. There does seem to be circumstantial evidence to support the Zabbix claim. Can you respond to them? Did Firescope at one time use Zabbix code? Why do you think Zabbix is making these claims?</p>
<p>Also, slander involves speech &#8211; I believe the word you are looking for is libel. My statements are far from libelous, although I expect you would find them unpleasant or even distasteful. </p>
<p>Your final comment about family livelihoods seems to imply that the people who work on Zabbix don&#8217;t have the same commitments. The fact that some of us chose to work on open source software versus closed source software doesn&#8217;t make us any less hard working or any less concerned with &#8220;fortunes&#8221;.</p>
<p>I welcome you to use this forum to clear the record, and I will gladly and prominently write that my statements were wrong if you will demonstrate that to me. You have to agree that, at least at one time, Firescope and Zabbix were eerily similar, enough to raise the question.</p>
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		<title>By: svcotton</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to hear that Alexei has counsel to advise him on his baseless accusations - FireScope uses no Zabbix code in its products even though we paid Zabbix for commercial code.  I invite you and your readers to download FireScope&#039;s BSM and CMDB products to see for yourself.  If your going to post baseless accusations - fine tell your readers that is what you are doing.  Otherwise be responsible, do the homework and don&#039;t slander another company.  We also have hard working individuals whose families livelihood is linked to FireScope&#039;s fortunes.

Sincerely 


An Open Source Contributing Company
FIRESCOPE


Steven V. Cotton
CEO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear that Alexei has counsel to advise him on his baseless accusations &#8211; FireScope uses no Zabbix code in its products even though we paid Zabbix for commercial code.  I invite you and your readers to download FireScope&#8217;s BSM and CMDB products to see for yourself.  If your going to post baseless accusations &#8211; fine tell your readers that is what you are doing.  Otherwise be responsible, do the homework and don&#8217;t slander another company.  We also have hard working individuals whose families livelihood is linked to FireScope&#8217;s fortunes.</p>
<p>Sincerely </p>
<p>An Open Source Contributing Company<br />
FIRESCOPE</p>
<p>Steven V. Cotton<br />
CEO</p>
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